Personnel Committee
March 13, 2008 – 9:00 am
Present: Larry Cornell, Chairman; Tony Piombo, Vice Chairman; Steve Dafoe, Sandy Price and John Troy
Others present: Scott Schrader, County Administrator; Mark Suben, County Attorney; Tom Williams, Legislator, District 10; Gene Waldbauer, District 13; Mike McKee, Legislator, District 17; Katrina Spicer, Secretary to County Administration; Annette Barber, Personnel Officer; Bob Howe, Board of Elections; Bill Wood, Board of Elections; Dennis Whitt, County Auditor; Jeremy Boylan, County Historian; Susan Morgan, Clerk of the Legislature; Evan Geibel, Cortland Standard; and Eric Mulvihill, WXHC
Absent: Dan Tagliente, Kathie Wilcox
Mr. Cornell called the meeting to order at 9:03 a.m.
Mr. Troy moved adoption of the minutes of the February 14, 2008 meeting; seconded by Mr. Piombo. All members voting in favor; none opposed; minutes approved as printed.
RESOLUTIONS:
1.
Amend Agreement, Amend Budget, Cortland County Chamber of Commerce – Mr.
Troy moved adoption; seconded by Ms. Price.
Mr. Schrader requested that a correction be made to the resolution.
He explained that $7,000 has already been budgeted for the Chamber of
Commerce and this $5,000 is in addition for the purpose of being combined with
the funds for the annual fireworks show in celebration of Cortland County’s
Bicentennial Celebrations. He
further explained that these funds are funneled through the Chamber of
Commerce. Mr. Schrader stated
that a correction needs to be made in the first resolved of the resolution and
should read $12,000 and not $5,000. All
members present voting in favor; none opposed; resolution approved as
corrected.
DISCUSSION:
1. Vacancy Report - A Vacancy Report was provided to each Committee members. Ms. Barber explained that there would be new caseworkers starting and added that a new nurse would also be starting. Mr. Troy inquired about the position of Accountant in the Treasurer’s Office. Ms. Barber and Mr. Schrader stated that they are in the process of reviewing the classification for that position. Ms. Price inquired about the status of the Safety Officer. Mr. Schrader explained that he would be setting interviews in the near future for that position.
4.
Rules of Order – Mr. Cornell explained that the Rules of Order were
reviewed by Legislators and proposed changes have been requested.
He also explained that any changes made to the Rules of Order would
require a two-thirds vote by the full Legislature.
Committee members discussed the following proposed changes to the Rules
of Order.
Page
1 – Article I, Section 3 – form
A question
was proposed regarding the form. Ms.
Morgan expressed that the form is not being used.
Mr. Cornell discussed and suggested eliminating the phrase “on the
form provided” and added that he has not seen the form mentioned in this.
Mr. Schrader explained that a friendly amendment could be made orally
without objection on the floor. He
added that if there was an objection the Legislature could simply recess the
meeting and put the amendment in writing before reconvening the meeting.
The consensus of the committee members was to change the Rules of Order
by eliminating the phrase “on the form provided.”
3.
Amendment – is a proposal to change the wording of a
motion or a resolution. All
amendments must be submitted in writing on the form provided and
distributed to all members.
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3 – Article I, Section 28 (Robt Rules – same day)
A question
was proposed regarding Motion to Reconsider not being the same as in Roberts
Rules of Order, in Roberts Rules of Order it must be done the same day.
Committee members discussed these Rules of Order being the Rules of
order of the Cortland County Legislature and Roberts Rules of Order being a
guide to establish these Rules of Order.
A suggestion was made to add the verbiage, “as long as something has
not already been done which cannot be undone” to the definition of Motion to
Reconsider. The consensus of
the committee members was to change the Rules of Order by adding the phrase
“as long as something has not already been done which cannot be undone.”
28. Motion to Reconsider - is a motion to bring again before the Legislature a motion which has been adopted, rejected, or postponed indefinitely, as long as something has not already been done which cannot be undone.
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4 – Article I, Sections 40 – 41 (two-thirds vs. majority)
A question was proposed regarding changing the required votes needed to purchase property. The Rules of Order currently require a two-thirds vote to purchase property. Committee members discussed the reason for requiring a two-thirds vote may have been because two-thirds vote is required for the sale of property. Nothing was found that required a two-thirds vote to purchase property. Mr. Dafoe suggested leaving this alone and not making any changes. The consensus of the committee members was not to make any changes to the Rules of Order regarding this.
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6 – Article II, Section 1, Subsection A-1 (review of Local Law #2 of 1972)
A question was proposed regarding the date of the Biennial Organizational Meeting. Ms. Morgan discussed the need of the meeting to be held on the second Wednesday unless that Wednesday falls on the first of January according to the local law. She added that the date couldn’t be changed. Mr. Schrader explained that the date could be changed and added that the Legislature sets its own schedule as long as it is in compliance with state law. He added that there is no problem with this. The consensus of the committee members was not to make any changes to the Rules of Order regarding this.
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7 – Article II, Section 2, Subsection B-2 (resolution issue)
A question
was proposed regarding the need for a resolution to nominate the Clerk of the
Legislature. Ms. Morgan expressed
that this states a resolution for the appointment of the Clerk of Legislature
is not required. Mr. Schrader
expressed that a resolution to appoint the Clerk of the Legislature is
required. He added that the
resolution is sent to the full Legislature with the name of the individual to
be appointed left blank. He
further expressed that nominations are made orally from the floor of the
Legislature. Mr. Schrader
expressed that a resolution is the appropriate manner to handle this and added
that leaving the name blank in the resolution is also appropriate because it
allows for nominations to be made orally.
Ms. Morgan expressed that she does not disagree but added the wording
does not say that. Mr. Troy
suggested not making any changes. The
consensus of the committee members was not to make any changes to the Rules of
Order regarding this.
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8 – Article II, Section 2, Subsection F (change order)
A question
was proposed regarding the order in which these items are listed.
Ms. Morgan requested that the order be changed to comply with the
previous Section. Mr. Schrader
discussed there being no prescribed order by law.
Ms. Morgan explained that she would like this to be consistent.
The consensus of the committee was to switch the order of the
appointments listed in Article II, Section 2, Subsection E and F to be
consistent with the listing in Article II, Section 1, Subsection C.
E.
Appointment of a Public Defender
1. At each biennial organizational meeting, the Legislature shall appoint a Public Defender, in accordance with Local Law No. 2 for year 1966. (See County Law, Section 716)
2. The term of the office of Public Defender shall be for the term for which the membership of the Legislature appointing him/her was elected or for a term as may be determined by local law not to exceed four years.
3. Appointment of the Public Defender shall be done by resolution.
F. Appointment of a Veterans’ Services Officer
1. At each biennial organizational meeting, the Legislature shall appoint a County Veterans' Services officer, in accordance with County Law Section 800.
2. The term of office of the Veterans’ Services shall be for the term for which the membership of the Legislature appointing him/her was elected or for a term as may be determined by local law not to exceed four years.
3. Appointment of the Veterans' Services Officer shall be done by resolution.
Page 9 – Article III, Section 1, Subsection A-6 Public
Comment Statement
A question
was proposed regarding the Public Comment Statement. Ms. Morgan expressed that Public Comment has been allowed for
only three minutes. She added
that this states five minutes and this has caused confusion. Committee members discussed the Chairman choosing the length
of public comment. The
consensus of the committee members was to change the Rules of Order to reflect
the length of Public Comment being three (3) minutes.
Public Comment: Provision is
made at this point in the agenda for citizens of the community to make
comments regarding any agenda item to be discussed at this meeting. After
Public Comment, citizens will not be recognized at any time except at the
request of the Chairman after approval for such recognition by a unanimous
vote of the Legislature in attendance. No person, not a member of the
legislature, shall speak for more than five (5) three (3)
minutes without specific approval of a majority of the Legislators. The
minutes shall show that a privilege of the floor was granted and shall include
a brief statement of the subject matter presented
Page 15 – Article IV, Section 1, Subsection A-4, edit wording - consistent to page 18, No. 22
A question
was proposed in regards to the regarding the wording of Article IV, Section 1,
Subsection A-4. Committee members
discussed the wording. The
consensus of the committee members was to change the Rules of Order by
inserting the phrase “by the Clerk of the Legislature” after the word
prepared in Article IV, Section 1, Subsection A-4.
4. prepare, or cause to be prepared by the Clerk of the Legislature, in conjunction with the County Administrator, an agenda for each committee meeting;
Page 17 – Article V, Section 10, Question, Why this is necessary?
A
question was proposed regarding the necessity of No. 10 – “file with the
Cortland County Clerk all documents as directed by a majority vote of the
Cortland County Legislature.” Ms.
Morgan expressed that she does not understand this and why file all documents.
Mr. Schrader expressed that “as directed” is equivalent to action
by the Legislature. The
consensus of the committee members was not to make any changes to the Rules of
Order regarding this.
Page 18 – Article V, Section 22 change Article V to Article IV
A question
was proposed in regards to changing Article V to Article IV.
The consensus of the committee members was to change the Rules of
Order changing Article V to Article IV in Article V, Section 22.
22. on
the request of a Committee Chair or County Administrator, prepare an agenda
for a committee meeting and distribute it in accordance with Article V
IV
Page 19 –Article V, Section 25, change roll to role
A question
was proposed in regards to changing roll to role.
The consensus of the committee members was to change the Rules of
Order changing the word “roll” to “role” in Article V, Section 25.
25. upon
receipt of a tentative budget from the County Administrator in his roll
role as Budget Officer, distribute a copy to each member;
Page25 – Article X, Section 10
A question
was proposed in regards to a motion to reconsider being on the same day.
Ms. Morgan discussed Roberts Rules of Order and a motion to reconsider
needing to be made on the same day as vote being reconsidered.
Mr. Schrader expressed that it needs to be dome at the same meeting.
He added that once a meeting is adjourned, a vote from that meeting
couldn’t be reconsidered. The
consensus of the committee members was not to make any changes to the Rules of
Order regarding this.
Page 26 – Article XI, Section 3, requires County Attorney review
A question
was proposed in regards to have the County Attorney review this.
Ms. Morgan stated that she thinks the County Attorney should review
this. Mr. Schrader expressed that
if a member refuses to vote, then his or her vote is recorded in the
affirmative. He added that a
member cannot refuse to vote. Ms.
Morgan requested to know where this came from and asked to be educated
regarding this. Mr. Schrader
expressed that in Roberts Rules of Order if a member is not present, the their
vote can not be used to pass a motion; therefore a “No” vote is recorded.
He went on to discuss a member being present and refusing to vote being
recorded as a “yes” vote. He further discussed this being designed as a penalty from
refusing to vote. The
consensus of the committee members was not to make any changes to the Rules of
Order regarding this.
Page 27 – Article XII, Section 8, not following, change or delete
A question
was proposed in regards to this not being followed. Ms. Morgan stated that his is not being followed.
Mr. Schrader explained that if an agenda item does not pass its
Standing Committee, then it is not sent to Budget & Finance Committee.
The consensus of the committee members was not to make any changes
to the Rules of Order regarding this. The
committee members further discussed changing the words Statutory Committee to
Standing Committee in two places in this section.
The consensus of the committee members was to change the Rules of
Order by changing the words Statutory Committee to Standing Committee in two
places on page 27 of Article XII, Section 8.
8.
For any item to be moved from the Statutory Standing
Committee to the Budget and Finance Committee requires a majority vote of the
members present (a quorum being present) of the Statutory Standing
Committee.
Page 28 – Article XII, Section 12, Subsection A, not following, change?
A question
was proposed regarding changing the wording.
Ms. Morgan expressed that the phrase all budgetary items suggests all
budgetary items and added that this is not being followed.
Mr. Schrader expressed that anything that impacts a change in the
budget or any amendments to the budget is presented to the Budget &
Finance Committee. The
consensus of the committee members was not to make any changes to the Rules of
Order regarding this.
Page 28 – Article XII, Section 12, Subsection B, Add Conflict Attorney to list
A question
was proposed in regards to adding the Conflict Attorney. Ms. Morgan recommended adding the Conflict Attorney.
The consensus of the committee members was to change the Rules of
Order by adding the phrase “Conflict Attorney” to the second paragraph of
Article XIII, Section 12, Subsection B on page 28.
The District Attorney, Coroners, Public Defender, Conflict Attorney, Sheriff’s Department including the Jail, Enhanced 911 (E911) Center, and Special Traffic Options Program for Driving While Intoxicated (STOP-DWI), Probation Department, Office of Emergency Management, and Alternatives to Incarceration.
Page 29 – Article XII, Section 12, Subsection D, add Dwyer Park
A question was proposed in regards to adding Dwyer Park. Committee members discussed Dwyer Park falling under the Highway Department. The consensus of the committee members was to change the Rules of Order by adding Dwyer Park to Article XII, Section 12, Subsection D, on page 29.
D. Highway – Not less than five (5) nor more than seven (7) members who shall oversee:
County Highway Department, including Highway Department garages, grounds, buildings and the maintenance thereof, used to carry out this function, and the County Airport, the County’s contract with the State for snow removal, and bidding procedures and equipment purchases as they relate to the Highway Department, county solid waste and recycling functions and Dwyer Park.
Page 29 – Article XII, Section 12, Subsection E, change name back to Buildings & Grounds
A question was proposed to change the name of the General Services Committee back to the Buildings & Grounds Committee. The consensus of the committee members was to change the Rules of Order by changing the name of the General Services Committee to Buildings & Grounds Committee in Article XII, Section 12, Subsection E, on page 29.
E.
General Services Buildings & Grounds –
Not less than five (5) nor more than seven (7) members who shall oversee:
Additionally,
a question was proposed in regards to the wording of the last sentence.
Committee members discussed changing the last sentence.
The consensus of the committee members was to change the Rules of
Order by changing the wording in the last sentence to include the phrase “The
committee shall have general supervision over” in Article XII, Section 12,
Subsection E, on page 29.
The buildings and grounds, including the construction, maintenance, and repair of all county-owned or rented buildings and grounds, including the Court House, Horizon House, Highway Administration Building and Recycling Center, but excluding County Highway garages and grounds, County Park buildings and grounds, the County Jail, the County Landfill, and such other exempt buildings as the Legislature may designate by resolution. The committee shall have general supervision over Buildings and Grounds Department, Information Technology, the County Safety Office, Weights and Measures and all safety issues that affect the County. The committee shall have general supervision of the allocation of space within said buildings, security, and scheduling and fees established for public use, within the exceptions heretofore mentioned.
Page 33 – Article XV,1, question to adding to Rules of Order that they be adopted every two years
A question
was proposed regarding adoption of the Rules of Order every two years.
Committee members discussed adopting the Rules of Order at the Biennial
Organization meeting. Ms. Morgan explained that Clerks of Legislature from counties
across New York State were recently surveyed regarding this and of the 22
counties surveyed, 16 counties allow for their Rules of Order to carry over.
She added that those who do not allow for the Rules of Order to be
carried over, adopt their Rules of Order at their organizational meetings.
Mr. Schrader expressed his concerns regarding the binding over future
Legislators if the Rules of Order are not adopted by the incoming Legislature.
He suggested that this be added on page 7, Article II, Section 1,
Subsection C, as No. 9 and changing No. 9 to No. 10.
The consensus of the committee members was to change the Rules of
Order by adding “Adopt Rules of Order” as No. 9 and change No. 9 to No. 10
on page 7 of Article II, Section 1, Subsection C.
9. adopt Rules of Order; and
10. any other business necessary and appropriate to come before the meeting.
The consensuses of the Personnel Committee was to have all changes made to the Rules of Order and distribute them to all Legislators for their review. Additionally, they agreed to have a resolution to adopt the proposed changes to the Rules of Order at the next Personnel Committee meeting.
5.
Workers Compensation – Mr. Schrader explained that an issue
has arisen regarding Workers Compensation that has caused him to review the
Local Law and the assessment of municipalities.
He explained that the cost charged to a municipality is based 60% on
claims and 40% on assed values. He
added that recently the Town of Harford’s Workers Compensation costs
increased from $12,000 to $66,000. He
explained that this increase is not being charged this year due to an error in
past years calculations. He added
that at the request of the Legislature he is reviewing the formula used to
calculate a municipality’s cost. He
explained that the Local Law meets the letter of the law and added that it’s
intent is not to exhaust a municipalities ability to tax.
He further discussed protecting municipalities from having to impose a
20% tax increase just to cover the cost of workers compensation.
Mr. Schrader discussed reviewing the local law and added that he
prepared a draft spreadsheet. He discussed examples on the spreadsheet and expressed the
need to protect municipalities from exhausting their ability to tax.
He explained that he has had a meeting with Legislators and the Town
Supervisor from Harford, Ray Marsh. He
stated that it is not appropriate to share the Town of Harford’s costs
across the entire county. He
further discussed the county assuming the costs because they are the largest
tax base and further discussed protecting the municipalities from a
catastrophic loss. Mr. Schrader
stated that a loss like the one the Town of Harford had could happen anywhere.
He discussed the reserve workers compensation fund and added that the
only down side is the impact on the county.
He also discussed the detrimental impact that multiple deaths could
have. Mr. Schrader stated that
would formally draft a Local Law pertaining to Workers Compensation
Assessments and present it to the April Personnel Committee.
Ms. Price expressed that she appreciates all Mr. Schrader’s work in
regards to this. Mr. Cornell
stated that this could happen to any municipality and be detrimental to the
municipality’s budget. Mr.
Schrader agreed that this would have detrimental impact on a municipality’s
budget. He further discussed
looking into this and it being good public policy.
Mr. Schrader discussed the being more able to handle a catastrophic
loss. Mr. Schrader further
discussed the Safety Officer being able to enforce safety issues.
He discussed the County Safety Officer being recognized in these
municipalities and being there to protect the municipality as well as the
County. Mr. Troy inquired as to
how long a catastrophic loss would impact a municipality’s budget.
Mr. Schrader explained that the impact would be forever and is a
substantial amount. The
consensus of the Personnel Committee was to have Mr. Schrader move forward
with this to bring back a draft copy of a Workers Compensation Assessment
Local Law to the April Personnel Committee meeting.
6. Board of Elections – Mr. Wood explained that Village Elections would be held next Tuesday and the paper ballots need to be kept. He added that storage space is needed. Mr. Schrader briefly discussed storage space for the paper ballots.
Mr. Cornell adjourned the meeting at 10:36 a.m.